1: A Covid Rave

In our inaugural episode we discuss Intel’s new CEO, Furry Bowser, Fitbit joining Google, and Adam’s longing for a mask fit for a rave.

It’s like somewhere around Google body.

Ryan: [00:00:06] All right. So I think we should probably introduce ourselves. Adam, do you want to start?

Adam: [00:00:13] Yeah. My name’s Adam, uh, was around for the previous podcast. This is our round to our reboot, basically, um, where we talked about fun stuff, electronics and, uh, media entertainment. And we’re here again, picking up the pieces where we left off.

Ryan: [00:00:32] Yeah, pretty much. Um, yeah, we had an old podcast, Adam and I, and a couple other people that are not on this podcast called Cross Section. Um, and, but yeah, I’m Ryan. Um, and then this is my other friend, Ryan, Ryan.

Ryan Good: [00:00:50] Yes, I am the other Ryan, the new guy to this group of dudes, I guess.

We could call it. Um, yeah, it feels good to be a part of the group and, uh, discuss some of this fun, fun topics, you know, games, tech, all things, Diversion, diversion of life.

Ryan: [00:01:12] Oh yeah. Yeah. I guess that’s the name of the show? It’s a diversion.

Adam: [00:01:17] Diversion. We’re no longer Cross Section we’re Diversion.

Ryan: [00:01:23] Yeah. So, um, so, yeah, so I think you all said it, we’re going to talk about technology games, media, entertainment, science, things like that.

Pretty much, uh, fun stuff and, uh, stuff that gets you mind get your mind off of, uh, your, your day to day. So I guess with that out of the way let’s get started, Ryan, uh, you got something.

Ryan Good: [00:01:49] Yeah. So I wanted to chat about. This new Intel news that came through, uh, this week. Um, part of, uh, I don’t know if it was announced at CES, I didn’t see that particular, uh, set of announcements, but I was reading, um, and the current CEO of Intel it’s actually stepping down.

Um, which if you have seen a lot of the news around like chip makers, obviously Apple, um, introduced their chips and, uh, kind of left the, uh, Intel, uh, world as it were. Um, obviously they’re not fully away from Intel cause they’d you still have some of the older products. It seems like they’re still supporting and, um, But yeah, I thought it was interesting, um, that, that the new CEO is actually a, uh, I think 30 years, he’s, he’s actually been, uh, previously a part of Intel.

Um, it wasn’t one of the original engineers for the 486 chip, which was pretty cool, um, to see someone more engineering minded. Um, if you look at some of the, uh, you know, issues that a lot of people had with the former CEO. He was more business-minded and, um, you saw a lot of the, uh, problems with manufacturing around the 7nm chips.

Um, and they just announced last year that, you know, they’re pushing those back again. Um, so it’s like they’re already for the seven nanometer chips going to be a year behind schedule when you like Samsung and Apple are already making five nanometer chip. So quite interesting to see, um, what it might look like for, you know, someone who’s more engineering minded who might want to push and compete a lot more with, uh, Apple and some of the other chip manufacturers.

Adam: [00:03:46] So the new CEO is an engineer stepping up.

Ryan Good: [00:03:50] Yeah, correct. Yeah. He’s he was formerly engineer. Um, I’d, I’d have to look up his exact bio of when he stopped, you know, like day to day engineering, but he’s had other, you know, C-suite roles and that kind of thing in the past. Um, with various companies, but yeah, it was, it was it Intel for like 30 something years before moving on to something else.

But, um, yeah, actually, you know, designing a chip and being on that team, uh, was pretty cool, I think. Um, because-

Ryan: [00:04:19] So they pulled him back to the company. He was some where else?

Ryan Good: [00:04:23] Yeah, yeah. VMware. That was where he was at most recently.

Adam: [00:04:26] That’s a pretty big jump too.

Ryan Good: [00:04:29] Yeah, for real, right. I don’t know. I think. For me, like, I can go either way, right. When it comes to, uh, computing, I love my Apple products, you know, I’ve kind of gone all in on yet the ecosystem. Um, so I’m not really like, yay go Intel, but I’m also not, I guess I’m just not super biased about it. Um, personally, but I think it we’ll see what happens with Intel.

Adam: [00:04:52] I’ve always been on the front of the Intel / Nvidia front. I liked that combo stack. That’s always been a go-to for me. Not that I, dislike the Apple front or AMD, any of those things. It’s great that there’s three competitional spaces on them, but I’ve always enjoyed the Intel front.

Ryan: [00:05:11] Uh, yeah, I think that any kind of competition is always good. Um, and Apple just came out with the A1 or the M1 chips, um, a few months ago and they’re pretty much the fastest laptop chips out there.

Um, Right now. And, you know, that’s all well and good, but that’s not going to carry over to PCs, uh, Windows or, you know, gaming computers or anything like that. So, um, so I’m, I’m glad to see that Intel is actually trying to make changes-

Adam: [00:05:48] I have a question on that with that M1 that you just brought up, are they doing a mobile version of that for their smaller devices?

Ryan: [00:05:54] Yeah. I mean, that’s basically what the M1 is, um, is like it’s their base level Mac chip.

Adam: [00:06:01] Okay.

Ryan: [00:06:02] So currently it is in the MacBook air. It is in the low end 13 or yeah, MacBook Pro 13 inch. And it is in a Mac mini. Now, interestingly, the MacBook air, that’s the only, that’s the only chip you can get in it now. You can only get the, M1 chip. But with the 13 inch MacBook Pro and the Mac Mini, they offer Intel versions of those machines still. And the reason being is that there are certain edge cases that the M1 chip isn’t going to cover. Like right now the M1 chip is limited to two Thunderbolt-4, I think. Yeah. I’m not sure if it’s 3 or 4, but Thunderbolt ports.

Um, because it only has one controller on it. So, um, I think what we’re going to see is probably around, I think the rumors are around March, you’re going to start to see whatever their next chip is or a variation of the, M1 chip for those mid-tier, faster machines, more pro level machines.

Adam: [00:07:20] That’s more thinking of like, okay, so here we have the M1. How does that do they look to make a less power consumption version to put into like the Pads? The Phones?

Ryan: [00:07:32] No. Um, the the way that Apple works is they make particular chips for whatever the device is. So the new M1 chips, um, they started learning how to make silicon on the iPhone. Right. That’s where they first started.

It was the A4, I believe. Uh, the, A4 chip was the first like Apple in-house chip. And then each year they make it faster and faster and faster then they made one for the iPad. Right. Um, and they keep, they keep putting the A-series chips in the phone and in the iPads. They make a specific chip for the watch.

That is a paired down version of those. And so the, that the M1’s are actually souped up versions of those tablet and phone chips. They’re not architecturally, they’re not exactly the same, but you can kind of think of them in that way. They have more features than the tablet and the, uh, iPhone chips. So, um, They started at the bottom and are working their way up instead of like Intel and AMD, where they had desktop CPU’s and then they had to pivot those into laptops and then try to compete on the mobile space where they’re just, they just can’t because their architecture started with the desktop. So that’s Apple’s advantage.

Adam: [00:09:06] Right. I think it’ll be exciting to see until get an engineer at the forefront, because we all know in it environments and such when you get that person of a lead who has that past experience and it, it really does drive different passions, not just the marketing money front.

Ryan Good: [00:09:22] Right.

Adam: [00:09:23] So it’ll be interesting. Cause the, the M1 card is, or chip is a difference and it is a big change for the actual environment. So we’ll have to, I’m excited to see cause you know, Intel is going to want to beat that.

Ryan Good: [00:09:36] Oh yeah, exactly. And that’s why I think for me, like, yeah, I, I’m not going to go out and drop a bunch of coin yet on a PC because you know, I have the whole Apple ecosystem, but looking forward and seeing like what they’re going to do as far as Intel it goes like that could happen.

Right? Like I could be more inclined to say. Okay. Like they’re innovating again. Um, and which we’ve seen before, right? Like we’ve seen Intel kind of dip, AMD kind of took over at one point. And again, it’s like, they’ve kind of had these battles over the last, you know, 15, 20 years where their both back and forth.

And, you know, one of them will have issues with manufacturing and the other will take over that spot and kind of AMD and Intel have fought that battle. Um, and then with. Apple going with the ARM architecture and, um, that kind of being like, like Ryan was saying, like starting a mobile, like it’s just a different starting point.

Um, but still like, you know, pushing innovation once they get to that, you know, higher level, because the reality is like these laptops are, are beating Intel chips, right? Like they are definitely in a lot of the benchmarks and the power consumption and heat. Like, they’re just incredible. Like they did such a good job.

Um, But yeah, I think hopefully this pushes Intel to make some changes that, cause I think the, they said now the seven nanometers chips are going to be like 20, 23. That’s a lot of time for Apple to push people towards them right? Like even get more of a professional chip out.

Ryan: [00:11:16] Yeah, I wanted to go back to the fab, uh, issues. I think, I mean, that’s fundamentally, that’s where Intel fell behind is they couldn’t make the smaller chips every year. They said that they were going to come out with like the next step down.

Ryan Good: [00:11:33] Yeah. it started with the 10, right? Like the 10 nanometer they had issues with and then the seven.

Ryan: [00:11:40] Yeah. So, so they’re, it’s they’re suppose.. What are they at now? Like the last time I looked they where at 14.

Ryan Good: [00:11:46] I think there it’s 10, I think they did push those out.

Ryan: [00:11:48] Did they get to 10? I don’t know. Yeah. So getting back to that though, has it been confirmed that, um, the, so there was a Bloomberg report, uh, This said that Intel is entering talks with Samsung and TSMC, who TSMC is who makes Apples, uh, chips for processor fabrication.

So what’s interesting is that, are, are they going to shut down their fabs and just outsource it? I mean, people have been talking about them needing to do that for years because they haven’t been able to manufacturer the smaller, uh, size of this.

Ryan Good: [00:12:28] Yeah that’s my question too, right? Like, um, if you have the ability to outsource it while you retool get things to where maybe they, you know, in-house start working on the 5nm to get back, you know, where, um, Apple is.

And I think Samsung has a 5nm process already, too, like there’s a few companies already at that point. And they’re you know, starting to develop these processors that are, you know, a generation beyond where Intel is trying to get. And so it’s like you almost to me, you would have to right, like take that quick win.

Of, let’s pay this, you know, supplier to make these for us while we innovate in house and retool. And, and I think, you know, thinking as an engineer, maybe that’s the direction this new CEO is going to go.

Ryan: [00:13:17] Yeah, I don’t, I don’t know enough about the process of chip fabric fabrication to know if their architecture is what has limited to them to not being able to manufacturer these smaller sizes.

Ryan Good: [00:13:33] One of the issues I think was, uh, like the silicon itself, like how they layer it. That might’ve been like the, one of the older ones, um, where they just couldn’t get that process down to where it was, you know? Efficient and they could produce them at scale kind of thing, um, from what I was reading. Um, so yeah, I think part of it’s process, part of it’s, you know, maybe supply could be too, like, it’s an interesting, you know, part of it is getting supplies and when you have Samsung and TSMC and Apple kind of cornering the market, a lot of stuff too, it’s tough to even, you know, get suppliers.

Ryan: [00:14:13] Yeah. I think the last thing that I want to. Say about it is, um, if it’s not, if it is architecture dependent, then, I mean, and let me take that back. Unless they can do what you said, where they pay the third party fab to help them like basically catch up there. They’re not going to the only way for them to..

Ryan Good: [00:14:40] Right.

Ryan: [00:14:40] The only way for them to, to be able to catch up is when the fab process can’t shrink anymore. And then I think at that point, you’re going to start to see them in AMD, uh, po- hope, hopefully catch up to, um, Qualcomm and Apple specifically, just like you saw with Intel’s architecture where AMD caught up with him in terms of efficiency, because of heat and, and, and different things like that. Um, because of their process was kind of like a dead end process.

Adam: [00:15:23] All right. So we ready to move on to the next topic?

Ryan Good: [00:15:28] Let’s do it.

Ryan: [00:15:30] Yeah. You got a cool respirator to tell us about Adam?

Adam: [00:15:34] Yeah, so a little bit more tech talk, something very interesting is, uh, formulating to come into the market. It’s, um, a little bit of a futuristic touch on what we would see for a mask.

Uh, I had to laugh the first time I’ve seen it cause I actually thought it was a joke. And then I looked at it. I was like, Hey, this is actually really cool looking, but here’s Razer. Razer is entering the market with a new mask. This mask of course is equipped with the one and famous. RGB lighting. It has speakers built in to the sides.

So when you talk, it does amplify your voice. Also your mouth is visible through it with a dim lighter to see whether or not you want it to be completely visible or somewhat, you know, damping down. And it comes with a box for UV cleaning. So when you’re done for the day, you pop it in the box. And it does a UV cleanup on it.

So it is a very interesting product. I don’t think they’re ready for the market because I think there’s still going through all the approvals that are necessary for it. However, the question I have on this is whether or not it’s too late for them to do this, considering the pandemic may or may not be on its way to somewhat of a closure.

Uh, is it too late to enter this space? Is people already giving up? On this forefront.

Ryan: [00:17:02] Uh, no?

Ryan Good: [00:17:05] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:17:06] Because I mean, at least in the U.S. Uh, we’re going to be kind of stuck with the coronavirus for at least another year.

Adam: [00:17:16] Yeah. I guess it depends on how long they get approvals for all this stuff. Right. And then able to put it on the market.

Ryan: [00:17:24] Right.

Ryan Good: [00:17:24] Yeah. I think, I think you look at it as more of like future stuff. Sure it might in the short term be, you know, not really ready if it takes them a year to get approvals and actually be able to produce it at scale. Maybe the future issues like pandemics and, you know, rough flu seasons. I can see that, you know, I could see that, but my big, my thing with this and, and it’s fine.

I could be, I’ll be a little devil’s advocate on this. Uh, a lot of companies, especially tech companies, they do things. And you’re like, why?

Adam: [00:18:03] And this is like out of the blue.

Ryan Good: [00:18:05] It’s like, what, uh, what are you doing? Like, I totally get them pivoting, uh, cause in that when their little intro video, they, they showed how they pivoted to making masks and stuff and had given them away.

And I think that’s cool. Like if you have a, a manufacturing plant in that you can quickly retool. And get new stuff out for, you know, health workers and pandemic stuff. Awesome. Do it. But do you really need to create this like rave futuristic? And N95, yeah, guys, I’m safe with my ride with my Razer face mask.

This is awesome. I don’t know, I, to me, I was just like, okay.

Adam: [00:18:44] It’s definitely a skill of, cause like everyone else is walking around with like the fabrics. And you’re like, look at my mask and you can hear me better RGB too.

Ryan Good: [00:18:51] The RGB thing just kills me.

Ryan: [00:18:53] When I first saw this. Uh, I, I didn’t even read the articles. Like you gotta be kidding me, but now that you told me about it and I I’m looking at the Verge article, there’s some really cool and important things on here for maybe a particular, uh, segment of the market. So the fact that it’s N95, it’s, you know, as far as I know, that’s the best you can get. I don’t know.

Maybe you can get N99, but like..

Ryan Good: [00:19:19] It’s considered surgery.

Ryan: [00:19:22] Right. Yeah. So it’s N95 mask. The speakers I thought at first, well that’s dumb.

Adam: [00:19:29] Hahah.

Ryan Good: [00:19:30] That’s awesome.

Ryan: [00:19:31] But, here’s the thing. My girlfriend. Is a speech therapist and wearing a mask is terrible because her patients have to see her mouth. So they make like these weird, transparent masks that you can wear.

But for the most part, she uses a regular one. Um, and this solves that problem and it solves the other problem where when you wear a mask, it makes it harder to hear you. So for her patients, they could see her mouth. And they can actually hear her. So I think this is like perfect for speech therapists.

Adam: [00:20:09] It does have some very good features here and it does look good. I will like looking at it does look good.

Ryan: [00:20:17] The LEDs, no, get rid of them. You don’t need that.

Ryan Good: [00:20:21] You don’t need that. You don’t need that.

Adam: [00:20:22] Look at what you could do to your mouth. You can like “roww roww roww”.

Ryan: [00:20:26] What are the LEDs do? They, I just see rings on the ventilators.

Ryan Good: [00:20:31] To me that’s a novelty like..

Ryan: [00:20:33] Oh, okay. I see the other one. It puts like LEDs on your..

Adam: [00:20:39] Yeah. It looks like it’s there over your mouth and stuff like that. Like, it is pretty neat. It’s a fun little thing to mess around with, but I mean, the thing that’s going to kill it is going to be the price tag that, I mean, I love Razer, but.

Ryan Good: [00:20:52] Oh, it’s 600 bucks or something, right. For this stupid thing.

Adam: [00:20:55] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:20:57] Did they, they didn’t announce a price. Right? Cause it’s a project.

Ryan Good: [00:21:00] No.

Adam: [00:21:00] Correct. I didn’t see any type of pricing with this. Um, like I said, it’s still even being approved, so.

Ryan Good: [00:21:06] Yeah, I was reading in the, uh, no, one’s even heard how the audio thing works or anything like that, which they’re working with engineers to do that. So I, okay. So I’ll give it this. Okay. I’ll I’ll give it to redeeming factors of yes. Clear face mask. Great. If you’re talking to someone who’s deaf, who needs to read your lips? Uh, the speakers. Cool. But again, get rid of all the novelty junk and make this like a, if you’re going to enter this space, I think you make it legitimate where like.

Adam: [00:21:36] But they’re making it theirs.

Ryan Good: [00:21:37] Yeah. But come on.

Adam: [00:21:39] This is Razer. Like this is their title. Like everything they do RGB. Right. So, I mean. I get it.

Ryan Good: [00:21:46] Okay, if my surgeon was writing this, I’d be like, get me a new surgeon. Just, I can’t take this guy serious.

Adam: [00:21:51] I mean, yeah, like that would be a little, I was actually, whenever Ryan was talking about it, Ryan, the other, Ryan was talking about it. I was thinking of that too. Like, well, what if like a doctor walked up to me and was wearing that? Like, what the hell would I think this?

Ryan Good: [00:22:05] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:22:06] Doctor’s not going to buy this.

Adam: [00:22:08] Yeah. I mean, you’re right.

Ryan Good: [00:22:09] They’re going to use the paper ones, right? Like, that’s just. But still, you know, there’s always going to be that one quirky doctor.

Adam: [00:22:15] Well, I will say this to when I was at, uh, Disney, you know, rest my soul on that one. But when we went to Disney, the speakers actually would have been really nice. You’re trying to yell at your kids, tell them to stay with you, stuff like that. You know, you’re already muffled and the, uh, the only thing I see is the negative though, just looking at this mask, maybe they’ve got this, figure it out, but it looks like that would be hot, you know, hot summer’s day and he’s glaring down on you. And you got all that plastic versus the thin fabrics.

Ryan Good: [00:22:45] Yeah, that’s true.

Ryan: [00:22:47] Yeah. That’s a, that’s another issue that, um, it just dawned on me like this is N95, like it’s all sealed up or whatever. Th that glasses, their plexiglass or whatever that is, that’s going to fog.

Ryan Good: [00:23:02] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:23:03] So you’re not going to be able to see anybody anyway.

Adam: [00:23:05] Some hot breathe!

Ryan Good: [00:23:06] Yeah. It needs a little windshield wiper when they add that on there too while they’re at it.

Ryan: [00:23:10] Well, wait a second. It says active.

Ryan Good: [00:23:12] So it does, so yeah, it’s probably not going to fog. It’s fun to joke about it, but yeah, it should. Cause it should cool. You bring in cool air and push out and filter the CO2 that you’re breathing out.

Adam: [00:23:25] They should have worked with, uh, Bath and Body Works to get like one of those little fresheners that go inside of the one. So you can smell something other than your breath.

Ryan Good: [00:23:35] I like that. See, now there, now that’s a feature.

Adam: [00:23:39] I mean, we’ve all experienced it now.

Ryan Good: [00:23:40] Yeah. I mean, if I eat something and then put my mask on, I’m like, Oh, what’s wrong with me? Like, why did I just do that?

Ryan: [00:23:47] Chew some gum.

Ryan Good: [00:23:48] That’s what we need. We need to come out with gum specifically for masks.

Ryan: [00:23:53] Yeah, it’s called gum.

Ryan Good: [00:23:53] No.

Ryan: [00:23:54] You just like put it, put it in your mouth, but..

Ryan Good: [00:23:56] So, this is where I think breath mints are better because when you’re chewing it, like the mask is all like flopping around. I have problems with that. I have a big face. Okay.

Ryan: [00:24:06] So do I. You need to get. Hold on. I’m going to put this shownotes. You need to get the Tom Bihn v4. That’s the one I have and it is awesome. Did I get the v4 or the v3 either way. One of one of these, it is incredibly. Now I have the v3 cause it’s three layers.

It’s incredibly warm in the cold, the cold months. And it fits like way over my chin, but it actually all fits. And cause I have a big face as well. And that thing is awesome. Chew gum in it.

Ryan Good: [00:24:44] It does look a feedbag though.

Ryan: [00:24:46] No, that’s the v6.

Adam: [00:24:49] That’s what you want.

Ryan Good: [00:24:51] Yeah. You just want a feedbag. Like that’s what we all need is the feedbag.

Ryan: [00:24:54] Yeah. I mean, you don’t want to, you don’t want like a thong on your face.

Ryan Good: [00:24:59] Hey, I don’t know.

Ryan: [00:24:59] You want a feedbag.

Adam: [00:25:00] I mean, that’s preferable, I guess. I don’t know.

Ryan Good: [00:25:03] If I’m trying to be protective. I don’t want a thong on the face.

Adam: [00:25:06] True. You need more coverage.

Ryan Good: [00:25:08] Yeah, no, I mean, this looks cool too. Like this one you just showed us, but listen, I have.. Look, I get it. I want my mask to look good too. I spent money on, you know, ones that look good and go with different outfits. But I don’t know if I can spend money on this Razer thing. I don’t know.

Adam: [00:25:28] I think that’s the thing that’s going to kill me with it. That’s what I’m thinking about was like, if we were going through the pandemic, we’ve all bought our fair share of masks. And then whenever we finally get to what we feel is some sort of. Normal. And we say, Hey, we’re done with these masks now is this thing just go into a box?

Ryan Good: [00:25:45] Yeah. That’s a good point.

Adam: [00:25:46] You know?

Ryan: [00:25:47] In America. In Asia, people have been wearing masks for years. They are considerate.

Ryan Good: [00:25:57] We still have like 30,000 deaths a year with the flu and we could probably reduce that.

Adam: [00:26:01] Yeah. So you, you feel like we really should be embracing masks for indefinite regardless.

Ryan: [00:26:09] I mean, am I going to wear my mask when I go out after the pandemic’s over? Probably not, but in other cultures they do, right? I was, I was thinking about this the other day. Um, this exact same thing, because I mean, it is the right thing to do. If you’re sick and you have to go out, cover your face. So you’re not spreading your germs to other people, especially if you’re in public transit. Or any other place where you’re in close proximity with people?

Adam: [00:26:41] Yeah. That’s fair.

Ryan: [00:26:42] But, we just don’t do that. Yeah. We just don’t do that. I saw a Congressman, uh, on CSPAN the other day sneeze. And when he sneezed, he pulled his mask down to sneeze, covered his hand.

Ryan Good: [00:26:54] Was he in a group of people and everything?

Ryan: [00:26:58] They were in session. Yeah. Yeah, the woman next to him just like, mean mugged him. So yeah. I don’t know who that was.

Ryan Good: [00:27:07] Yeah. It’s definitely a cultural thing, right? Like here in this, in America, we’ve almost resisted it. Now, when I lived in New York city, like I saw a lot more people wearing them. Um, and it was American, like people who were, you know, born and raised here and it was people who were immigrants and, um, it wasn’t weird. It wasn’t weird in that, in that context. So my hope is that yeah, we do get more towards, um, you know, when you’re sick, more considerate, I think it’s just better for everybody.

Right? Like I, like, I’ve been, I’ve had a couple of bouts with some bad flu in my day. I do not like it. So like, if we could all get to that point, like it’d be great.

Ryan: [00:27:50] Yeah. Yeah. I think if the culture accepts it, then people will still be wearing masks. I kind kinda, I really don’t see how a lot of people in the U.S. doing it, because everybody fights it right now as it is. Not everybody, some people, um, but it’s a fashion accessory, like Ryan said, like he’s got his, you know, matching his clothes and stuff.

Ryan Good: [00:28:15] I do.

Ryan: [00:28:16] Uh, I, I have my black Tom Bihn V3 that I wear with all my black clothes and, uh, yeah, it keeps my face warm when it’s cold. So that’s nice.

Adam: [00:28:28] I mean, I’ll put it this way. If the world, or if America is still running down the path of like, “Hey, you don’t look like a goofball whenever you’re wearing masks.”, then I probably actually would spend money on the Razer one because that one looks really cool. And I, that would be the accessory that I would be running with.

Ryan Good: [00:28:48] There you go.

Ryan: [00:28:49] Everybody’s wearing, everybody’s wearing normal masks. And Adam shows up is like led neon masks.

Ryan Good: [00:28:57] “I’m ready to party guys.”

Ryan: [00:28:58] He looks so weird.

Adam: [00:28:59] I’m just saying. That’s got me written all over it. Like I’m not going to lie. Like that would be, if I, if we started all this and it was on the market, then I’d be like, “Hmm, I’m just going to go ahead and buy that one. That’s going to look good.”

Ryan: [00:29:10] How much would you pay for?

Adam: [00:29:12] Probably about tree-fidy.

Ryan Good: [00:29:13] Holy.

Ryan: [00:29:15] Yeah. I was thinking that maybe like a good price for that would be like $245.

Adam: [00:29:20] Yeah, yeah. Somewhere like, I definitely do not see this over $500 if they did something crazy like that, I would be like you guys. No, but I could see maybe $250, $350 range somewhere in that.

Ryan: [00:29:33] The UV cleaner. I wonder how much that is like to make, but there’s other products with those that. Aren’t really expensive.

Ryan Good: [00:29:41] But, yeah. Cause like the UV light itself, you can get those, right. It’s just, first of all, how strong, how effective and that kind of thing is it?

Adam: [00:29:51] Well, it seen like on Amazon, there was like a phone box of UV cleaner. Then you just pop your phone in it and it just does the thing overnight and charges. So, I mean, I think that’s kind of for it. I mean, I feel like that was like a $40 or $60 product. I didn’t read too much on that. Just seeing what it was like. Oh, that’s a cool idea.

Ryan: [00:30:10] It’s just a tanning bed for your phone.

Adam: [00:30:12] Basically.


Ryan Good: [00:30:14] Comes out, smelling like chicken.

Adam: [00:30:16] All right. So that’s our fun talk with masks. I think the other thing that I was going to bring up, um, was a video game. You guys like Mario?

Ryan Good: [00:30:27] Who doesn’t?

Ryan: [00:30:29] Everybody likes Mario.

Adam: [00:30:32] Yeah. So most people already know about Mario 3D World coming to the Switch, uh, the WiiU you game being reported as its deluxe version. Um, the cool thing about it out of what we’ve seen from this week from Nintendo, they had it in another exclusive trailer for it was the Bowser’s Fury and almost at Furry. Um.

Ryan: [00:30:57] Uh, you just made me type furry in my browser!

Adam: [00:31:00] I done ruined it. Um, anyway. Yeah. So the thing is what I’ve seen on that at first glance, when it came out, I was like, okay, it’s just gonna be like a little expansion thing, 3D World, blah, blah. But it’s actually pretty neat. They, they got some different, uh, mechanics to it. You can actually play co-op with someone as Bowser Jr. And it seems like his motivation is actually help out calm his dad down because he’s gone completely nuts. And they’re really utilizing the Giga Bowser look, which is one of my favorite looks from Bowser.

You know, he’s huge. He’s got massive spikes. He’s super angry looking like it, it looks pretty awesome. But on the flip of it, though, it looked like they added a. Giga cat or, uh, Mario turns into a giant size cat.

Ryan Good: [00:31:48] And this is why he said furry.

Adam: [00:31:50] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:31:51] It’s a real cat-tastrophe in this free roaming adventure. You’ll travel to various islands in Lake Lapcat to collect cat shines to re-ignite lighthouses in clear darkened terrain. Watch out for Bowser though.

Adam: [00:32:07] Yeah. I mean, when I watched that trailer, I was like, this looks really cool. And then that last bit was him turned into a giant size cat and was like, uh.

Ryan: [00:32:14] Oh, he’s like a lion.

Ryan Good: [00:32:15] And that’s what you have to turn into to beat them. And I was like, okay, cool. You had me until I don’t know.

Ryan: [00:32:25] Luckily Mario can match his might with the Giga Bell, which lets him transform into the mighty Giga Cat, Mario, and go toe to toe with the monstrous Bowser in a itanic battle of biggies.

Ryan Good: [00:32:38] Have you watched the trailer, Ryan?

Ryan: [00:32:40] No I haven’t. I’m on the site and I’m just kind of scrolling through here.

Ryan Good: [00:32:45] Okay, I mean, I’ll give my, my first impressions of it were, cause I hadn’t played the original and review or whatever, so I was like, Oh, okay, cool.

Like I would get this. Yeah. For my switch. This looks like a fun Mario game. And then they got to Bowser’s Fury and I was like, okay, cool. What like, all right. The cat things different, but yeah, it looks, it looks fun. Like, it’s definitely like a little bit different. I like, I do like that version of Bowser. That’s cool. But, uh, yeah, I dunno.

Ryan: [00:33:18] Yeah. I, I, I think it looks cool. Um, even though I haven’t watched the trailer, but just, you know, it’s Mario.

Ryan Good: [00:33:24] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:33:25] Like it’s going to be good. Um, I feel like I played a little bit of the 3D Worlds. Adam, did you?

Adam: [00:33:33] Yeah. And you played it over at my place. I think once.

Ryan: [00:33:37] Well I had a, WiiU.

Adam: [00:33:40] Yes, but I think we played four player.

Ryan: [00:33:44] Did we?

Adam: [00:33:45] I think so. Or maybe it was the, WiiU one the other, the Super Mario WiiU.

Ryan: [00:33:51] Yeah, I’m not sure. But what I’m getting at is you could be a cat. You’re a cat in that game, right?

Adam: [00:33:58] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:33:58] Yeah. So, I mean, this isn’t anything specific to Bowser’s Fury, except that you can become a Giga Cat, which it looks like a lion.

Ryan Good: [00:34:07] I think for me, that was the, the only weird part was like, that whole thing is centered around cats. Like, like Lapcat. It’s a giant Giga Cat. I was like, okay.

Adam: [00:34:18] Yeah.

Ryan Good: [00:34:18] Maybe it’s a cultural thing and I just don’t get it. And like I said, I haven’t played it through 3D Worlds, but that. That did look cool, becoming the standard version, you know, cat, where you can climb things that they look cool.

Adam: [00:34:30] Uh, you can play the multiplayer online too.

Oh, I did not see that.

Ryan Good: [00:34:35] Yes, that looks awesome.

Ryan: [00:34:37] I’m definitely going to get this game.

Adam: [00:34:38] Oh yeah.

Ryan Good: [00:34:39] Yeah.

One really cool thing about it. I saw it like the, uh, the cherries. They turn you into multiple versions. That was really cool looking.

Adam: [00:34:47] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:34:48] What’s that? I don’t know.

Ryan Good: [00:34:49] So it’s like you get the power up. Um, that basically replicates yourself so that you can do multiple things in that level. And because of the way that the maps are like the view, right? Like they can be because there’s so much depth to that level. Maybe there’s like stuff to do at the top level while you’re at the bottom. And you know, all your Mario’s at the same time can do it.

Ryan: [00:35:12] So, how do you control that? Is it like you do an action and then duplicate yourself and that action keeps repeating while you do the other action.

Adam: [00:35:21] No simultaneous control. So like you push up all the models through the same thing. And these are the mechanics that are in the original game that was on the WiiU.

Ryan: [00:35:31] Okay. I thought it, they maybe ripped off, um, Braid.

Adam: [00:35:35] The, the new mechanic is just simply, it looks like the co-op with Bowser Jr. And what happens in that nature. And then the fact that you can turn into the giga cat is a huge one. Those are the new features with the Bowser’s Fury, from what I’ve seen, but in all case, I am excited about it. I just, I, I dunno, I thought it was goofy seeing a giant size version of Mario cat, but outside of that, I thought everything else looked really cool.

Ryan Good: [00:36:01] I enjoyed all the new Mario stuff that they’ve, you know, since the 35th anniversary stuff, I’ve enjoyed everything that they’ve announced. So yeah, I’ll definitely get it. That’s a cool game.

Adam: [00:36:11] And I hate to dip in rumors, but there’s a lot of talk because 35th year of Zelda is this year. And man, am I crossing fingers for a trilogy pack? Like how they did for Mario?

Ryan: [00:36:23] Oh, that would be awesome. Like Link’s Awakening and um.

Adam: [00:36:29] Well we have awakening already on the Switch, but..

Ryan: [00:36:33] Yeah, but that’s like the new version.

Adam: [00:36:35] Yeah. But like I would like to see of course. You know, Ocarina of Time I do want to see Wind Waker and I would like to see Twilight Princess. So I’d like to see those three in the pack to tell you the truth. But the only thing is, is I would want to see the 3DS version of Wind Wak- or, uh, operating time.

Ryan: [00:36:54] Yeah, I don’t think you’ll get that. What you’ll get is the N64 version, because they’ve already shown that, that they did that. They were able to do that with, um, the Mario games.


Adam: [00:37:06] plus they’ve already got the built-in emulation for 64. So, I mean, That makes sense. But like I said, I know it’s an off tangent, but I am crossing my fingers for something cool, like that this year.

Ryan: [00:37:17] I want, I want a 64 to be added to the NES and SNES. Uh, is it it’s called Online, but it’s not online.

Ryan Good: [00:37:29] Yeah. It’s like, because you have to have the subscription to use them, but yeah.

Ryan: [00:37:35] Yeah. That would be cool.

Ryan Good: [00:37:37] I was thinking about that when they announced, uh, the three-pack of Mario, I was like, why aren’t they just going for it? I mean, obviously me being all simplistic about it, I know I get it. Like, it takes time to, to port those over and get them working. But I mean..

Ryan: [00:37:51] Other than they can just sell them.

Ryan Good: [00:37:53] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s, that’s what I’m wondering is are they going to just add like a N64 emulation or are they going. To sell versions of the game like that, like we’re, they’ll rerelease, you know, uh, Goldeneye or something, you know, or it’s

Ryan: [00:38:09] Oh.

Ryan Good: [00:38:09] Yeah. See now wouldn’t that be awesome.

But they have to I think, like modernize the controls because I’ve gone back and played Goldeneye and I don’t know how I ever played that game.

Adam: [00:38:20] It’s really weird.

Ryan Good: [00:38:21] Yeah. I booted up my N64 not so long ago and I was like, what, how did I even play these games?

Adam: [00:38:27] I think that’s, what’s so weird about that though, because you know, moving around to c-buttons and then trying to aim and like, we were good at it. Like we were good. I mean, we played it all the time.

Ryan Good: [00:38:37] Somehow.

Adam: [00:38:38] Yeah. But there’s no way in hell. Now if I try to do it, I’m like what? I don’t even know. I’m shooting the auto aims. My savior.

Ryan Good: [00:38:43] Yeah. It was so new. Right? And innovative. And now you’re like, what the hell were we thinking back then?

Adam: [00:38:50] And I loved that controller. I know everybody was like, “Oh, this is the worst controller ever”, but I always really liked that controller.

Ryan: [00:38:56] It was really ergonomic.

Ryan Good: [00:38:58] Yeah, I thought it felt fine.

Ryan: [00:38:59] I mean it like fit good in your hands.

Adam: [00:39:01] But I will, I will go ahead and stand by that. The 64 is actually my favorite all-time console.

Ryan Good: [00:39:06] Wow. That’s a statement right there.

Adam: [00:39:09] Yeah. Well, it’s the reason why it was just because it was that first one that really got everyone sitting on the couch together and playing 4-players and enjoying it.

Ryan Good: [00:39:18] True.

Adam: [00:39:18] Cause you could get that multiplayer tap for the PlayStation stuff, but there was few games versus like almost every game that was multiplayer for the Nintendo was, hey, four players sit down, everybody party.

Ryan: [00:39:30] I lost the palm of my hand to Mario Party.

Adam: [00:39:33] All those sticks broken.

Ryan: [00:39:35] I’ll never forget it. Okay. So I think our last topic that we’ve got today is Google bought Fitbit. Now, I didn’t know that this was happening, but apparently it’s been kind of a process that’s been going on for a bit. Um, there was an EU merger commission approval. Uh, from like December, I think. So, uh, it completed today and Fitbit came out with their announcement today, followed by Google, um, announcing that the merger. Um, and it seems like they’re going to be, I don’t want to say independent, but, um, kind of staying the same, but every company says that when they get merged in yeah. Um, but Google, uh, did make some promises. And I think some of these were actually required for the merger to be approved in the EU. Um, they’re gonna keep the Fitbit data separate from all of their other like Google ads data. Uh, I’m not sure exactly what that means, but, uh, I’d imagine they’re going to be on different like databases and machines.

The other interesting thing was that they won’t use any of that data for ads. Um, so I think the, when I, when I first. Saw the Fitbit announcement and I thought, Oh great. You know, Google’s going to get Fitbit. And then they’re going to use all your data to sell ads since that’s what they do. Um, but it seems like as part of this, they’re actually kind of required not to do that.

So I’m not sure where Fitbit will fit fit in, uh, because they had already. Google had already had the Android Wear and it just really didn’t take off. So my guess is that Fitbit will be kind of like Beats is for Apple where they’ll just be a separate brand. I don’t think that Google is going to like put them into like, you know, the Nest sub-brand or the, was it Home now? What does Google call it? Is it Nest anymore?

Adam: [00:42:00] I think they moved to Home.

Ryan: [00:42:02] Yeah.

Ryan Good: [00:42:03] I think some of their stuff is still Nest.

Ryan: [00:42:06] Yeah. I think some of it is, but I think, yeah, everything kind of moved to Home. Anyways, I don’t think that they’re going to move it into those consumer brands. I think that they’re probably keep. Fitbit as its own, uh, brand, at least in the short term.

Adam: [00:42:22] I mean, that’s what we would want to see, right? Like just like the Oculus and Blizzard, all these other brands that get bought up and thrown into the fire. Eventually you don’t want it to lose its touch where it’s at, but you know, there’s going to be some sort of level of taintedness.

Ryan: [00:42:40] Yeah, it does make me, um, think. Since you mentioned, uh, Facebook buying Oculus. It makes me think that eventually, if you want to use your Fitbit, you’ll have to have a Google account. Like you would just log in with your Google account.

Adam: [00:42:54] Right.

Ryan: [00:42:55] Um, but they did say that, yeah, this is Google will continue to protect users’ privacy. Um, and that was part of the approval process that was required by the regulators. Uh, they’ll also allow Fitbit users to choose to connect to third-party services, um, and they would continue to work across both iOS and Android. So I, you know, I, I never really thought that it would stop working on iOS because Google is pretty easy going when it comes to making hardware work, wherever they can, because they just want everybody, um, they don’t care what platform you were on.

Adam: [00:43:48] Yeah. And that’s something I would not like for instance, I don’t have an Apple watch. I do have a Fitbit. Um, I have had the, um, the Moto 360 and stuff. So I did do the Android Wear at one point as well. And you know, that’s the biggest sell factor for me on the Fitbits is the fact that you can. You can sync it up with almost anything. It’s pretty well versed on being connected and obviously battery life. But I would hate to see a bottleneck happening at some later date of like, okay, well, we’re no longer going to support other platform because they’re a competitor to us, even though you guys had that in the past.

Ryan Good: [00:44:28] I’m also interested. So looking through some of that data, like binding, those are binding agreements and that’s good. Like it says 10 years. For the agreements of not using their data for ads and that kind of thing. My, my..

Ryan: [00:44:42] So that’s the sunset.

Ryan Good: [00:44:43] Exactly. So there’s definitely a sunset date on it. Yeah. So which then you would probably try to reinstate them again. Right. That’s you know, probably what will happen is, Oh, you want to re up this contract or whatever they, you know, license.

Ryan: [00:44:58] I don’t know. Do they?

Ryan Good: [00:44:59] No?

Ryan: [00:45:00] I think once it, I don’t think so because like, once you, I mean, it’s just an approval of the company being merged, right?

Ryan Good: [00:45:06] Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that’s how they view it as well. We’ll agree to a 10 years, and then we don’t have to agree to anything else. And that’s, that’s some of my fear too is okay. Well, when that 10 years is up, who’s to say Google, doesn’t just, you know, flip the switch and now all of that. All that historical data. Yeah, here you go. But I also think they then own that data and they could use it for their own internal, uh, tracking and everything, uh, all they want.

Right? Like they Google that data. It’s another Google. Exactly. It’s another data set that Google’s not going to own on us. Um, and part of that will not be like, you cannot opt out on some of that. Right? Like that’s what they’ll do is it’ll be tied to your Google account because that’s what they’ve done with other stuff.

Um, and then all of that data is going to be there now. Yeah. You can’t go in and delete your personal data, but you know, they make it jumping through hoops most of the time. Um, and then, yeah, I, I, it’s hard to just trust people, right? Like trust companies with that data. Um.

Ryan: [00:46:21] Well, I was going to say there’s only one tech company that I trust with my like personal data and my health data and that’s Apple. They don’t sell ads, they don’t sell anything. They don’t sell. They, they go out of their way to make privacy a feature so much though that if they ever did violate privacy, it would destroy their reputation.

Ryan Good: [00:46:47] Exactly. I think that’s part of me too. That’s looking at this and going, okay, it’s great for Fitbit as a company to innovate more because they have, you know, this new, uh, you know, resource of engineers and hardware and money and all this stuff that’s great. And I think Fitbit has been, you know, one of the best in that market, for sure. Like, they’ve been one of the best and longest standing in the market. I mean, you remember Nike tried to get into it and they couldn’t. They couldn’t really.

Adam: [00:47:17] I had one of those.

Ryan Good: [00:47:18] Yeah. My wife had one of those and it was fine, but then all of a sudden they’re like, yeah, we’re pulling the plug.

Okay. You know, like, so.

Ryan: [00:47:26] What was that? I don’t remember.

Adam: [00:47:29] I don’t remember the name of it, but I remember having the band.

Ryan Good: [00:47:31] Yeah.

Ryan: [00:47:32] But Nike, Nike had their own.

Ryan Good: [00:47:33] Yeah They had their own fitness tracker know it was pedometer. It was, did some health stuff. That kind of thing.

Ryan: [00:47:39] Oh yeah. They had the pedometer that went into you’re shoe.


Ryan Good: [00:47:42] had that one too. Yeah. So they have the wrist, one that, you know, was, uh, tracked how far you ran and that kind of stuff. And, you know, gave you a little score or whatever it was. Um.

Ryan: [00:47:53] Yeah. Now you can just get the Nike Apple Watch.

Ryan Good: [00:47:56] Yeah. And that’s what happened, I think was they just decided to pivot and basically licensed stuff to Apple instead. Um.

Ryan: [00:48:05] Right. Yeah. And they have, they still, they still have like a fitness, like exercise regimen, application, Nike+, uh, I’ve used that, and it’s decent.

Ryan Good: [00:48:14] Right? Yeah. That’s kind of what they like pivoted over to is more the software. Um, so yeah, I don’t know. It’s. It’s another thing that Google’s now going to own too, where I’m just like, do like there you’re already getting in trouble for antitrust.

Is this really like I health? Like, do you want to get into the health space in a time where you’re under a lot more U.S. Government scrutiny? You know, it’s, it seems like an interesting choice. And I know that they had started this. Cause I remember reading about this, you know, it might’ve been even in 2019.

When I initially saw reports of this possibly being a thing, um, and was thinking, okay, like at that time, yeah, just another brand that, that Google’s going to buy in either crush or, you know, gut kind of thing. And now you put it in the context of Google being investigated and PO and, you know, legislation being brought against them. That’s, you know, antitrust, isn’t really the right time to be doing that kind of thing. It’s still a little odd.

Adam: [00:49:18] I mean, I think, I feel like whenever you put anything on a digital platform, whether it’s your health, your tracking, your personal pictures, um, any recordings and such that nature, you’re already putting yourself at that risk.

Like you have to somewhat assume that regardless of what you’re signing far as a EULA, um, that you’re still going to be vulnerable because even outside of like the businesses themselves, you’re still going to have other people that are going to want to hack and steal and do those types of things as well.

But, so, I mean, I guess, like I don’t have so much of trouble with it because I automatically assume that the moment I put this watch on that, I started tracking myself that if my data was going to be somewhere, it was going to get compromised or touch somehow.

Ryan: [00:50:09] So that’s an interesting point. Um, but with Apple, your health data stays on your phone. If you back your phone up to, um, iCloud your health data, doesn’t go, it only stays on your phone. So somebody would have to steal your phone, you know, and whatever, but, um, your health data. Yeah. You don’t have to worry in that area.

Adam: [00:50:37] And that’s a good touch because realistically let’s face it. Like. I’m not important enough for someone to target me specifically and go after my phone and hack my phone. I mean, and none of us really are. There’s someone who’s trying to get something that’s going to go after where they can get a mass majority of data.

Ryan: [00:50:54] Not yet there’s podcasts gonna be big.

Ryan Good: [00:50:56] You just wait. We’ll all be targeted. Yeah. I mean, I can see that, right. There’s always the acceptable risks that we all take in the. The time we’re in where everything’s digital for the most part. Um, I mean our medical records are flowing that way and they do the best they can. And there are hacks the absolutely hospitals get malware all the time because we’re humans and we make mistakes and those things happen. That’s why I actually thought it was.

Laughable, honestly, in the CU agreement that they’re like, Oh, the data’s going to be in separate databases. It’s like, yeah. But you do know that all it takes is one engineer who works on a couple of projects and has access to that. But all of a sudden, now I have access to both of these databases. It might make these government officials feel all warm and fuzzy, but in the tech world, you’re going, yeah so like, they’ll just find a list of those accounts on some, you know, engineer’s laptop or something and be able to get access to. This stuff happens all the time. Like we’ve seen huge hacks recently where some, some somebody made a mistake, right? Let’s put this password here. Oh man. Look at all these things I got access to.

Uh that’s for another show. Uh, so yeah, I don’t know. I think my big thing is how they’re using my data. That’s what it always is for me is I know you’re going to have access to it as a company. Um, a lot of it and I, and I’ve seen this with Google. Like we have the Google Home Minis and stuff throughout our house.

A lot of their, a lot of that is all anonymized when they send it over. Um, even a lot of the, you know, voice commands that you ask is anonymized and then deleted quickly. They get their analysis from it to help improve things and then, you know, dump the data. So they have th they have shown that they’re willing to do the right thing.

Um, I’m just not sure, like health data for me is like another, you know, step personal. So it’s, it’s tough for me.

Adam: [00:52:59] I can understand that. It’ll be interesting to see where it all goes though.

Ryan: [00:53:04] Let’s just, I think we can all agree that it’s a lot better that Google bought Fitbit than Facebook.

Adam: [00:53:10] Hahah

Ryan Good: [00:53:10] Oh, a hundred percent, if you try these diet pills, that’s what you would get is ads. Like you already get them, but then there’ll be really tired of it.

Adam: [00:53:20] All right.

Ryan: [00:53:22] All right. Say goodbye, everybody.

Ryan Good: [00:53:23] Goodbye, everybody.

Adam: [00:53:24] Goodbye, everybody. .


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